Thank you, allonfla. There can be no truer way to say it.

What does your reply have to do with the topic at hand, allonfla?

Are you saying that because you dislike Tucker his ideas should be ignored? If so you, too, can work for this White House.

Faux News has broken several major stories ignored or covered up by ABCCBSNBCCNNNYTLAT. Who's the faux now?

Only people who hate Fox believe anyone is embarrassed by it. (Just like only people who hate Limbaugh claim he is the voice of the GOP.)

In fact, they are convinced that they need to watch it to hear the "other side".

Gee, now why do you think that is the case? Because other media cover all sides so well? Yeah, that's the ticket!

The recent ACORN scandal, and the other media's refusal to cover it, was one very good reason people watch Fox. This incident just confirmed Fox viewers' belief that they have to watch Fox to get the news other media refuse to cover.

As long as Americans have to change their channel to Fox to get that side of the argument, they will continue to do so. And as long as the other media continue to exclude that side of the argument, they will lose viewers to Fox.

In effect, the media has itself to blame for not including more opposing viewpoints.

I don't watch Fox, except on Sundays with Chris Wallace. But I understand why people do watch it.

People watch it to hear the other side.

Tucker I too have seen you commentate and we should all realize you are part of Faux News. Faux News is part of the birther movement, tea party movement and anything else that allows them to discredit our President and present administration. Perhaps if they would have found as many faults with the past administration, then perhaps this current administration would not have inherited the mess they did...a collapsed economy and the fighting of two wars.

Allonfla...you obviously don't watch the FOX NEWS channel. Watching Keith Olbermann's 2 second clips doesn't count for research. Who is Obama to you anyway? He just another dishonest power crazy politician. He can read but he can't lead. Jimmy Carter will look like George Washington when this thing is all over.

Jack what allonfla is saying is that tucker is biased therefore is opinion is not objective. He is basically doing the same thing he is accusing the WH of doing; Bitching about bias when he's obviously conservative and in Fox's pocket. Talk about a hypocrite. He MUST be a rethuglican. The real problem is not with this administration but with journalism in general. It has become an entertainment and spin engine rather than an objective source of information. Tucker is the one who should be embarrassed. Journalist have become more infamous and disliked than lawyers IMO. I think the WH is right, we need to demand more of the press and take them to task if they expect to be protected by the constitution.

Thank You Mr. Tucker. i don't watch Fox, no cable; this attack on them would of been of no consequence if white house didn't attack Drudge next and then Rush, Chamber, Insurance Cos, tea parties and anybody else that does not support their liberal, socialist agenda...

And the tactic is the same for each group if you notice...

fox attackers please tell us exactly which story is not true. don't just "don't agree" that is fine but where is the lie? on which story/ specifics please...

@JackSheet - why don't you name off a few of those stories or should we just take your word for it?

I think the whole point of it is that when watching a "news" program on Fox you get 15 minutes of news and 45 of opinions. They dilute the actual news and shape it into what they want. As for Obama giving interviews to other networks, sounds completely reasonable to go to an interview where someone will talk with you instead of shouting and frothing at the mouth. And as far at that goes I know another organization where the people yell froth at the mouth, stage antics between people with different mindsets and it's watched by millions of Americans, it's called the WWE.

Who IS the voice of the GOP?

Allon, yours is only an opinion and I respect that.
My opinion is the former newspapers with few exceptions are in the tank for the progressive ajenda, and quit reporting some time ago to become editorial sheets.
That coupled with the other major Radio and TV networks becoming fan club broadcasters instead of reporting the news, havn't done a decent job in the last few years, thats why they are losing their audience.
It's all about control, they at the Whitehouse remind me of the Nixon administration, they want control and nothing else.
Have a good day.

Maybe the reason the other media outlets didn't cover the ACORN scandal was because they did their research and figured out it was a scam paid for by Breitbart, a conservative Washington Times columnist who also launched biggoverment.com. Maybe, just maybe, Fox news was the only outlet given the footage because they are closely tied with Breitbart. When Fox came out with the story, maybe just maybe the outlets did some research of their own before jumping all over the story to claim that "they had it first!" Maybe they caught wind of this chain and figured out it might not be such a grass roots, unfunded documentary as Giles had claimed.

I could be wrong, but I don't think this sounds like a huge stretch. This scandal could just be a scandal in itself.

and Fox is a great network. Maybe not for news, but they do have the simpsons. always a classic.

Tucker is right. Our Freedom of Speech is being attacked by political hacks.

I'm with you Allonfla. Robert Murdoch's success proves Mark Twain's adage: "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public." Fox News understands its market. It appeals to stupid people, a statistically large percentage of the U.S. population (which advertisers on Fox certainly realize). As far as Tucker Carlson is concerned Nelson Algren once said it all: "Never be seen with a man who wears a bow-tie."

So allonfla, your "doing what your told" by the White House in changing the game to where expressing opinions other than "our illustrious leaders" and differing viewpoints can be regulated by politicians? Your NAZI / Stalinist daddies would be so proud of you. Unless the Demo-nazi's are planning a coup the political winds will shift again and your illustrious leader and his ilk are setting DANGEROUS PRECIDENTS! Remember the sun doesn't shine the same dogs ass every day . . . imagine how you would feel if this were Sarah Palin attacking CNN and MSNBC.

For decades I have defended the notion that "I do not believe in what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it". Many veterans have died for that very purpose. In fact, Howard Stern, a complete jerk in my mind, has had that freedom for that very reason.

Bill Maher hosts a show on cable that is so one sided it isn't funny, (neither is his show) and he is the one who said "the American people are stupid and Obama should drag them to his side".

At what point will the liberals and the media live up to their so called "anything goes" lifestyle? At what point will they actually practice what they preach?

Fox news has liberal and conservatives on their station. The conservative shows tend to do better, who knows why? Air America, the Democratic voice of Al Franken and company was a total failure. who knows why?

The bottom line is this. Real news is supposed to be questioning and challenging the administration. It is our last organized hope to keep them on their toes and honest to the people. However, the left doesn't seem to like it when the get what they dish out. I find it both entertaining, and sad, as I want to hear both sides, even though I disagree with some, but unfortunately when I read the headlines and listen to news overall, I hear more "promoting" instead of "investigating" from most media outlets (they should be paid for advertising)

Since Tucker came from MSNBC, and the more recent arrival of folks from CNN and ABC to Fox, I think you all should ask the question, who cwhat arries the "opposing" view for the mainstream media? The sad thing is, most of them are rubber stamping things, and they are risking our freedom in that way.

Try listening to the content, not the hype, on either side, and see if what you hear is what you think you hear, then be the judge.

ConstitutionalRights.............Finally a thoughtful objective post in this sea of verbal diarrhea. Thanks

allonfla,

I am so sick of Libs talking about all the bias on Fox and NEVER giving examples. Please provide examples of REPORTERS, not commentators lying. I'll be waiting breathlessly for your response.

Michelle

And you've just horribly embarrassed yourself by writing this rubbish. Wading through your rant I gather you very much disapprove of a free press and reporting of what has proven to be very serious facts. I guess a Hugo Chavez type of press is your cup of tea.

Here, here. Bravo. Especially the last paragraph. No, the whole thing.

djanimaequeen said: "Jack what allonfla is saying is that tucker is biased therefore is opinion is not objective. He is basically doing the same thing he is accusing the WH of doing"

So, Tucker is using the power of the Presidency to intimidate a news organization?

Do you liberal drones think before you type? Or do you lack basic reading comprehension?

And people want to know why I watch BBC news -----NO Tucker Carlson no talking heads no fox news

Unless it has pictures, a lesson in 101 won't help them

The Democrats like their domestic "wars". So much easier to win.

Rahm himself quoted, saying "CNN" counts, they are his lapdog. Any opposing views who report news that they don't like are to be suppressed, denied interviews. This attacks our very Freedom of Speech. Do you really want used-car salesman Axelrod, political analyst, taking away our freedoms for the sake of his political paycheck?

I fail to see how this is an attack on anybodies freedom of speech. Being denied an interview is not even close to being suppressed, in fact it seems to be the opposite it's the people at the WH choosing their right not to speak. No one said don't watch or there will be consequences they said don't watch cause their full of shit. If you still want to watch go right ahead your still free to sput bullshit about your freedoms being taken away but it's just that bullshit.

The threat is more for CNN and their likes, do as Obama says OR ELSE!

Obviously you do not watch MSNBC or any other news channel than FOX. I watch them all and can tell you I've heard many criticisms of Obama through the year. Granted, every network has its biased editorial shows, but some more than others. FOX takes it to the extreme.

Pussies, with big mouths, drunk with power. This won't last long as the ones with big fists will have enough of this sooner or later.

"This smacks of what Chavez does in Venezuela, and other leaders do in too many countries around the world where the press follows the line of the Administration." When Republicans made these nonsense claims it drives me mad. Chavez et al. take over networks. Bush (W.) et al. denied access to major newspapers like the New York Times. (Cheney didn't allow a Times reporter on his plane for most of the eight years he was in office.) All that this administration has done is express the opinion that the reporting--and I mean the reporting, not the commentary--on Fox is not responsible. That's actually true, in my opinion. But the point is that IT IS AN OPINION.

Fox was pressed into the service of the White House for eight years. Other networks and print media were alienated. Where was your Chavez analogy then?

While I do agree that journalistic integrity when it comes to reporting about Obama have basically disappeared on all sides, both pro and anti-Obama.

But seriously, "I have to say though, that in the years I've watched Presidents from FDR on to the current administration, I have never seen such contempt for the intelligence of the public. The obviousness of their tactics and lack of restraint, prove this."

Were you in a cave from 2000-2008? The lead up to the war in Iraq. The blatant snubbing of news outlets who reported anti-administration stories. I think these are far more strong-armed and obvious manipulations of media and disrespect for the public.

I don't think using a charismatic speaker to obfuscate issues is nearly as disrespectful.

clemmieo,AndreainNY, too many to name here. Please tell me what tactics you are refering to. Can you name a source besides faux news. What lack of restraint, health care reform has been delayed for months while gop petends to negotiate. Acorn is a good example, of the agenda faux news has. They have targeted Acorn, because they are geting the poor to register to vote. Fox employees dressed as a pimp and a hooker kept going to Acorn offices, till they found somebody who went along with their scam for a hoot. It wasn;t news. The other story often repeated is about voter fraud. There was an investigation, they were found innocent. What you won't hear from fox, is Acorn officials are the ones, following the election laws pointed out that some employees have filled out fraudluent names like mickey mouse. 80 % of the stories covering the Acorn fraud failed to point out that Acorn was the one to bring up this problem. Try going to Media Matters site to get a perpective on news that does not have a declared agenda on seeing our President fail. We have serious problems in this country that need dealing with. The gop and fox have an agenda, and it not dealing with the many problems in this country. They are getting rich off the status quo.

stjam8: "Fox employees dressed as a pimp and a hooker kept going to Acorn offices, till they found somebody who went along with their scam for a hoot. It wasn;t news."

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Might I suggest that it is you who need to go websites other than Media Matters to get your facts? The only thing true about your statement is that 2 young people did go to ACORN offices dressed as a pimp and hooker.

If you don't believe this is "news", perhaps the fact that Congress and the IRS withdrew funding after viewing these videos is not "news" to you, either.

Please, get your facts straight -- especially when lecturing others on accuracy. Better yet -- watch the videos.

stjam8

The two kids that exposed ACORN were not FOX employees. And yes, when an agency receiving tax funding gets caught being willing to help set up an underage prostitution ring with underage illegal aliens, THAT is news. Secondly, Media Matters specifically identifies itself as Progressive.

Doberman and Madcow got a 2 hour interview, they're special bashers of other's views.

camfield, Obama is trying to tell other networks how they should and shouldn't deal with Fox News.

It's not as simply as him "attempting to cast the veracity of the Fox product in its true light."

It's more complex. It's him making his Executive Pay Czar available for interviews to the White House news pool but telling him to exclude Fox News from any interviews (Fox is among the five news outlets who pay for and maintain the White House news pool). It's him using the bully pulpit to publicly call out a news organization and media figures. It's him sending his lackeys on tv to bash Fox News.

If George Bush had done any of this, you know damn well liberals would be complaining, and I would be right there with them criticizing the President I twice voted for. It's heavy-handed intimidation by our elected officials, and I hope you'd have the sense and moral clarity to oppose it even if it is someone you voted for.

If someone is right, you attack and discredit.....if someone is wrong, you ignore and it will fizzle. Appears Fox is correct.

Absolutely right!!! Tucker Carlson needs a job - He will say whatever it takes to stay on any network.

So, you only want views from one side of the political spectrum?

There's a term for that. "Intellectual cowardice". Fox News has several liberals who appear regularly. You could take a lesson from their fairness and bravery, little man.

Well, won't be long then until all of you mentally disables liberals will be the only fools watching all but Fox. This shows the true character of liberals and this White House bunch of hacks. Wasn't there a guy or guys like this 50, 60, 70 years ago?

Such a shame. Where are you expecting to get your news when the other outlets are bankrupt and off the air. Will government finance them as the arm to air their side.

That's fine...follow the rest of the lemmings and when you fall off the cliff, one less useless mouth to feed.

The president (little pee) does not have to take the seriously, It's the audience that worries our current cry baby.

"Morning Joe" Scarborough a liberal? Give me a break.

Fox News doesn't have a network news program. NBC Nightly News is a real news program and it makes no sense for MSNBC to compete with its own company.

I'm not arguing in favor of MSNBC, I'm not sure where you gleaned that theory. It is clear that Fox News is conservative and MSNBC is liberal. But, Fox News was started by a well known conservative media mogul with help from a GOP operative, they're pushing an agenda. MSNBC sat distantly in third place behind Fox and CNN for years, and decided becoming the liberal counterpart to Fox would be a smart business decision. GE isn't pushing an agenda, just trying to make money.

I thought prime time started at 8:00pm. Arguably, Fox has a solid block of
Conservative programming from 5 until midnight.

The real fact is Fox is slated far to the right, but won't admit it for some reason. MSNBC doesn't hide the fact that it is leftist.

Fox Opinion Channel is not real news. Even their supposed "news" is tainted by half-truths, fabrications and partisan talking points. (Sponsoring the teabag rallies).
At lease ABC, NBC and CBS have on the air network news that is not biased. The cable outlets are partisan; but Fox lets their partisanism manufacture the news instead of reporting it.

Msnbc may have a point of view, but they tell the TRUTH. They don't misinform or make up the news. For instance, they may disagree with Cheney's views but they don't call him "The Chosen One" or such like names. This is what ruins Faux News credibility. Their noses are out of joint because we liberals LIKE President Obama and disliked Bush. Live with it.

The best thing about The Daily Show is it go after all the cable "news" networks. If it wasn't so funny it would be sad.

John Stewart is liberal, but a fair and funny man. He's a good liberal....take notice.

The Drudge Report? Centrist? It's easy to be USA Today, bon, as easy as it is to lie with statistics.

Yes. No one is impartial. That is why journalists are no longer respected. They are as bad as the politicians.

AndreinNY, The Constitution of the U.S. forbids making a law targeting any one group. Senator Franken introduced a bill that would forbid any company that have been convicted of fraud to do business with the United States government. That would include Lockheeed-Martain, Northrup grunman and Boeing Who have been fined billions in settlements for defrauding our government. ************************Please read the new study from the Urban and Environment Policy Institute at Occidental College by Peter Drier, Professor of Politics. This is a study of the mainstream media reported allogations without investigating the truth or falsity. There is a saying, a lie will travel the world before the truth gets out of bed. Like I said, there is an agenda. Acorn was registering the poor to vote. Since so many register as Democrats, that makes Acorn a target of the GOP.

Nancychatter,

In Iraq, we don't exactly have a lot of choices available to us for viewing TV. AFN - Armed Forces Network is all the chow halls have over here. If the soldier to which you refered was in the chow hall at approximately the same time every day and the channel at that time happened to be on the AFN news channel, then of course he/she would see the same programming seemingly 'nonstop.' AFN runs a selection of all the news medias throughout the day. However, it generally sticks with the same program at the same time each day.

The above is a clear example of something "factual" being wrong because of perspective. Chow halls tend to play the AFN news channel because it's less problematic than having on the AFN movie channel.

We all apply biases on everything we observe, it may not be be delierate, but it happens. A rational person will try to step back and remove those biases as best as possible. Our current political environment does not allow for rational thought and objective opinions. One must be so polarized and beat everyone over the head with your point of view to get anyone to listen. Rational thought and open dialogue has gone by way of the Dodo bird. People have become so polorized it's despicable. Nothing gets done but breading more hatred for the opposing party's view.

Rodney King's, "Can't we all just get along?" is a question for the ages. As long as people are polorized and hatred against another for his policial views is rampant, "getting along" will not happen. I welcome the day when I can lay down my military career and pursue a political agenda that relies on the individual, as the founding fathers intended. The People is (not plural, We, the People are one) not here to serve the government, the governent exists (not propagate) to serve the People (national defense).

All this talk of exclusion/inclusion of the media, whatever you want to call it, is moot. Let the individual live his life with as little government intrusion as possible and you may just find that when empowered, we all make the right decisions. You don't like what's on the TV? Turn it off, spend time with your family, do something productive and think for yourself.

Have you ever considered that it was the troops themselves that selected the medium? It get old and tired when you are being shot at to listen to someone who is telling the world that you're there to kill babies.

Now! Now! Walty They never brought the current adminstration up to speed according to Rhom Emanuel, they never had input,so how can you say such dribble?

Your confusing conservatives with republicans. Beck, Rush, and Hannity are conservatives first. BO met with repuclicans.

Rahm says "CNN and others" like them should be regarded...he openly says that CNN is their lap dog. That should make us all stop and think. Then Doberman and Madcow are given 2 hour interviews and they are notorious for bashing the other political side. This is all just political oppression of the news. Our Freedom of Speech is at stake here. Axelrod is a political consultant who is now Obama's senior advisor. Do we really want our Freedom of Speech governed and restricted by the White House?

Rebpulicans have no integrity? You're joking right. If one of our does something we don't like, we kick them to the curb. Please explain how Kennedy, Rangel, Dodd, Jefferson, (I could go on forever) have lasted as long as they have?

thehummerl -- you are so right -- Rachel has conservatives on all the time and doesn't yell at them or try to cut them off. Both Keith and Rachel get their facts straight - and their opinions. They don't try to pretend that they are reporting when they are giving their opinions. Tucker is a tool. He can't stand it that the WH is telling it as it is -- Faux News lies on a regular basis.

thehummerl: You have no idea who us Tea Party Patriots are then, if you only listen to Rachel Maddow. You identified yourself as not as far left as that idiot Ed Schultz and I am calling you out on your statement about Rachel Maddow being "spot on" about the tea parties and other web sites. She is no more a "fact-checker" or "logical" than Keith Olbermann. She is just not as vulgar. What makes you believe she is not pushing an agenda? Just because you want to believe her? I am a mother and I work fulltime to support my family in a suburb of Atlanta. I have joined several groups on Facebook and met many average people just like me fed up with the government taking more of our freedoms away from us. I didn't like Bush's big spending, but Obama and his Democrat cronies have literally taken this big government thing to a level never before seen. Nobody has "organized" me or paid me to do a dam thing! I paid my own way to every tea party, including Washington D.C. Why do Democrats have to always have an enemy? You go from demonizing one industry to the next and you don't even stop at individual American citizens. Shame on all of you!

You are so right, Hummerl. I have been saying the same thing. Keith and Rachel are spot on and they check their facts.

i'm totally with you. keith can get a bit sanctimonious now and then, but rachel is the most straight-forward, honest, probing maintstream media figure we have.

her first question in any interview is whether or not her introduction accurately portrayed the position/opinion/argument of the person she is interviewing. so classy.

Then please provide some evidence of non-biased reporting from Fox. And without the ridiculous polls (e.g. 'is Obama the antichrist or are you not sure?)

How in the world can promoting a socially liberal agenda-universal healthcare, economic regulations to prevent another financial catastrophe, GLBT equality, etc-be bad? The White House finally has a brain, and now the Right Wing is clamoring to discredit that. How has 'intellectual liberal' become a slur?

Oh, and the 'true American' comment is foolish. How can be less American because of what party they belong to? Please fill me in on this vernacular shared by Sarah Pain and yourself.

dabeall -- with your name-calling you have just illustrated the problem with Fox and with all those who persist in bending the truth to illustrate their preconceived notions.

Your comment, in turn, only strengthened the position of those who criticize Fox. I doubt that was your intent.

It it were true this website wouldn't even exist because it would have been banned by the government by now. When you make statements drenched in hyperbole it makes me wonder if you really understand the terms you are using or just regurgitating Neocon talking points.

The name calling is getting very, very old. Make a point, if you have one.

Dabeall, you're confusing your "Dear Leaders". Or was it some other country's ENTIRE conservative population that championed every error Bush Jr made, applauded every vacation day he took, supported every war he started? The truth is that any conservative claim about Obama leading some kind of cult of personality is clearly projection at the loss of their own "perfect" icon. Conservativism took an entirely voluntary collective nap for 8 years and appears to have just woken up, crankily and noisily. Sorry, but getting indignant at the steps that Obama has to take to clean up the catastrophic mess of the latest conservative savior is not going to get a pass. If you doubt the truth of that, try looking at how well the GOP is polling among independent voters.

Dabeall..... when you start doing the Dear Leader Hussein Maobama thing you totally support the argument that Fox is a network for far right wackadoodles. That is not fact or argument. It is just name calling. And really rather childish and silly at that. The kind of shouting people do over their sports teams. Or kids on a playground. Not the kind of thing one says when talking about the state of our nation. There was a serial poster on WAPO a week ago that simply posted Sieg Heil Obama thirty or forty times. I had a hard time getting my mind around the kind of person that would do that. Name calling hardy makes you a true American. The majority of us are Independents and we do not like unhelpful bomb throwers.

dabeall,
I read that as " I shan't waste my
time defending my arguments
because I can't" You are just another
pseudo-intellectual.

dabeall, if this country is so bad now. You are free to leave.
This country belongs to the real Americans. This does NOT include you. Get over it.

Hey dabeall,
If everything you say is in fact true, please prove it. Please tell/show me how Obama wants us to emulate "other totalitarian statist regimes" and why we "progessives hate America and all its founding principles."

You can't just say something without proof and state it as facts...well unless you're Fox News, apparently.

There is a brewery called Stone that makes a T-shirt named after one of their beers. It says" I'm an Arrogant Bastard". I think you should have one.

"There have been no credible challenges to my argument that has required me to defend it ... certainly not coming from you."

There can be no credible challenges to lunatical, no- fact based rantings.. so, of course, you (and beck and hannity.etc) are safe in that respect...
Also, you can't really defend lunatical rantings, either...... to paraphase barney frank debating you, is like debating a coffee table....

Since when do twits like yourself get to decide who's a "true" American?Butt buddy to glennda the beckerhead are you?Fux noise would not know the truth if it appeared to them out of a burning bush and the vast majority of their brain-dead viewers are not in much better shape.You and fux have relegated yourself to being nothing more than a somewhat loudly agitated minority something like the guinea fowl or peafowl that some folk keep as ornaments.

@dabeall

So basically you have nothing to offer other then insults?

The people of your party have followed this trend for too long, were you offer nothing of substance and only negativity. No wonder why your party is on the decline... No ideas, no vision, no leadership....

Hi dabeall,

You see, this sort of discourse works best when one attempts civility. You should try it. People may begin to take you seriously (well maybe not you, per say, due to the fact that you're presented no real evidence for your claims, but still a good rule to abide to).

I'm an American citizen, and I rather like it here. I do not see how supporting one political party over another gets you into this non-existent 'true 'merican' club that you keep spouting off about. How does one quantify their standing in such a club? Do you get points if you're a Republican, but lose points if you don't own a gun or attend church?

We're all Americans and in this together. We generally want the same things--healthcare, peace, prosperity, pots of gold, etc., etc. Politics is really just about how to get there. To that point, we're all a part of a larger global community as well. My disagreement with you does not reflect on my 'American-ness'. If anything, it says something about yours, for putting forth the notion that I have a lesser stake in this country than you because I have a different set of political beliefs.

And please be nicer to people. Just because the internet can grant you relative anonymity, it doesn't mean that you have a mandate to be a jerk.

dabeall,

It's inane vitriol like what you're spewing that scares me and the other moderates away from voting Republican. You're only hurting yourself with these diatribes.

dabeal
Let's get real, ok?
Those that supprot Mr. Obama are, for a most part, decent and honorable people. Those that, like me, are for a most part decent and honorable people.
We all want a better life for our children, and in my case grandchildren. We do not agree on how to get there but we are not devils incarnate.
We are all Americans seeking a truth greater than ourselves. Each longs to know the Truth, different paths but the same end.

Talk about war.....you angry conservatives need to understand and come to grips with the fact that you lost the election and then lost your minds. You are so angry that you're attacks are no longer rooted in sanity. Watching a Fox producer incite the crowd before she went on camera at a Tea Party Protest that Fox promoted and then covered as news showing old people whit Lipton Tea Bags hanging off their glasses is what you' people have stooped to. And then there's your Brither nutbag who has found two authentic forgers of Obamas Birth certificate, then there is the communist crap. All the long over eight years Bush and Cheeney did more to drive this country toward total dictatorship as you sat back and watched. In fact that's what you conservatives mostly did duirng the Bush Adminstration. Watched! No oversight of any aspect of the government at all. You are like Lemmings spewing the same talking points over and over and louder and louder. And then when people dissagree you say they're not real Americans. This is the maturity level of the angry "regressives". The truth is you are a breed of American that is dying, representing a whack job minority that is imploding on itself. Young people who grew up duirng the Bush years are overwhelmingly democratic, you're loosing all of the sane "true conservatives", and turning off the rest of the country. Don't forget the Bush White HOuse got Dan Rather fired, regulary atacked the New York Times and the Washington Post in the name of fairness. You're just not use to observing the same dynamic from a democratic adminstration. In fact most of you are capable of observing anything at all that's factual. Most of you still beilve that man and dinosaur walked the earth at the same time; that we did find weapons of mass destcution in Iraq and there is no such thing as global warming. There is no way to have a rational discussion with peope like you any more. You would have been the people who imprisoned Galileo and held out until the end that the earth was the center of the universe and was flat! I'm sorry for you that your time has come and gone and that you can't opne your hearts or minds to the 21st century. God Bless you and under my definition of American we can dissagree and both still be true Americans. if you look at the constituion and founding documents you'll see that this was the spirit that the founding fathers wanted.

dabeall- You're basically just a lonesome old bully, aren't you?

Dabeall, you sound like you work for Rush Limbaugh when you call the President "Dear Leader" or quote Rush's "Barack Hussein Mobama, Mmm
Mmm Mmm." You do this on every blog. Get a new idea and stop the ad hominum remarks. You only make an ass of yourself and have no credibility.

I've seen them. They're shown.

I saw them bringing in I think it was 5 coffins from a roadside bombing in Afghanistan, on MSNBC. I only saw it once but it was shown!

And that is the point so well stated. No matter how much you love or hate this administration, this attack by Emanuel and Axelrod was beyond Nixon's paranoia. The defense is to attack the messenger, the usual cop-out

There are scant few "Marxists" in Russia anymore, let alone the White House.
You wackos should just leave the country; or maybe join your heroine Palin on an island in Alaska, where you can help her keep an eye on Putin.

Good idea, Walt.

lukeliberty,

I keep posting (roughly) the same response: where were you when the White house refused to let Helen Cooper sit in the press room? Or when Dick Cheney did not allow a reporter for the New York Times onto his plane for most of the term of the administration? Or when the Bush White House denied access to the Times because they did not like how they were portrayed in its pages?

Where were you when Fox was a propaganda outlet for the previous administration for the last eight years?

Let's burn those books so no one else can be corrupted by their evil influences. Let's even make more unsubstantiated charges about the president trying to suppress liberty. Let's even lie (justifiably) to further our irrational fears and promote our agenda. Oh! Wait! We already tried that the last eight years and it got us into a war based on false premises, killed our servicemen and women without cause, almost bankrupted the world economy and destroyed our reputation around the world. Tucker, put your bow tie on and climb back into your closet. Your as fake and obvious as your republican "promise keepers" counterparts.

@ Carole65

"this attack by Emanuel and Axelrod was beyond Nixon's paranoia"

What do you hope to accomplish by this false comparison? Are you trying to flaunt your ignorance of history?

I think the most disturbing part about Fox "News" is how it seems to destroy ones understanding of history or the proper definition for the terms used in political discourse.

For example the President gives criticism of the shoddy reporting on Fox news and suddenly everyone on Fox starts saying that he's just like Nixon.
Or how suddenly the public option in Health Care reform some how equals a Socialist take over of the United States. Or President Obama is a fascist and his polices are like the Nazis.

It's like having a conversation with a 15 year old teenage drama queen that has no sense of perspective on historical events.

LUKELIBERTY So,where were you during the previous administration. Little things like Habea Corpus,Geneva Convention and the Patroit Act,seem to escaped your attention. This President was left with a historic mess, by the previous adminstation. There are many REAL problems that need dealing with, FAUX news and the GOP are happy with the status quo, they are getting very rich telling you lies.

comidoki: I guess my "ignorance" comes from having been a young adult at the time Nixon was the president and seeing how his paranoia brought him down. His overt hatred of the press and his keeping an enemies' list overshadowed any good he had accomplished.
Every politician generally hates the press, but they understand the importance of the freedom of the press. It works for them and against them. They hunker down, do their jobs, and let the chips fall where they may. When Nixon lost the 1960 presidential election he made the statement that you (the press) won't have me to kick around anymore. Alas, Nixon did reemerge in 1968 as POTUS, and the press kicked him around again. I see disturbing parallels, one I wouldn't think this administration, or any administration for that matter, would want to repeat.

How about this Jinglebob - I won't even use personal attacks:

Fox News lost any and all credibility for being a "fair and balanced" commentary on this administration when it actively ORGANIZED protests against it. The 9/12 project was planned, organized, executed, and covered ad nauseum by FNC. The next day, Fox spent most of the day talking about how ridiculous it was that the protest did not also receive all-day coverage on every other news network ("How can they possibly ignore thousands and thousands of people crying out??")

A news corporation is no longer an observer and reporter when it actively organizes the protests it is supposed to be observing and reporting.

Are the other news organizations spouting agendas? Absolutely. But did MSNBC, CNN, etc organize anti-Bush protests on the National Mall? No. They probably covered them, hell they may have even supported them - but organize? No. THAT is where the line is drawn and that is simple fact - no personal attacks.

On a side note - within one month of Fox's 9/12 project, another group, thousands and thousands strong, was protesting on the National Mall. Fox covered their event for a full 3 minutes and 14 seconds out of the entire day. This protest was just as big as the 9/12 projects, just as angry, just as frustrated about their lack of rights, just as demanding of the president! Why no air time? Because it was a gay rights protest. Facts are hard to argue with.

Jinglebob
Allow me to do a little reporting of my own.
Jinglebob posted the Oath Keepers manifesto on this very website just the other day, whether people wanted that exposure or not.
Really, bob, give the posters here some peace, will ya?

urbancowgirl: Fox has no connection to the 9/12 project and has never organized a tea party. They simply reported it, and vigorously I might add, for which I thank them. Yes, Glenn Beck is the founder of the 9/12 movement, but Fox is not involved. It's simply a lie perpetuated in the left's lexicon of Conservatives and the Tea Party movement and you believe Fox organizes tea parties simply because you want to believe it. I know I will get attacked for stating that, but I don't really care. Won't make my statements any less true. Since I watch Glenn's show, I know what I am talking about. And I am sure you don't. I am hugely involved in the Tea Party movement and no one from Fox has ever approached any of us. CNN and C-SPAN covered us too (cameras went past me twice while I was standing in front of the Capitol). Why is the Tea Party movement bad in your eyes? Simply because we don't agree with President Obama and big government? I didn't throw hissy fits when people protested the wars under Bush. I didn't agree with the protesters at all as a matter of fact. And I certainly didn't care what network did or didn't cover them. It just wasn't my business to tell them what to do or not to do and so I simply exercised my right to turn the channel.

egb - I note you took no argument to my second point about the gay rights protest that Fox did not cover. Clearly this should prove that I'm not against tea partiers (whom I didn't even mention! Please, protest all you like. If you disapprove of government policies, such is your right! I'm not a fan of calling our president a fascist nazi racist whatever else as some tea partiers are wont to do but I fully recognize - or at least hope to God - that those folks are a minority amongst you. So please, organize rational protests, by all means!).

You spun my words (which are only attacking Fox promotion of a protest, not the actual protest) to argue your own point. That's fine, but that's just not what I said.

Fox promoted the 9/12 protest - Glenn Beck asked viewers to come out, say something! - correspondents ran around saying "look at all these patriotic Americans!" Like I said, promoting, organizing, giving hours and hours of airtime to one protest (while ignoring another one THAT WAS ALSO PROTESTING OBAMA) means you lose credibility as a news organization. Simple.

PS - I watched Glenn Beck almost every day until recently. I enjoy a smart debate where I know where the other person is coming from. I stopped being able to stomach it more than once a week though. He just makes me sick. I'll take O'Reilly or Shep to get my conservative news now b/c I think they still have heads on their shoulders.

To cuppajoe, thank you for your comments. I've read MANY of the posted comments to Tucker Carlson's article & find the most intelligent (literally) & the most knowledgeable posters are ones with views similar to yours. I am not an avid watcher of neither Fox nor MSNBC but rather a reader of political news articles & opinions. And it is from all that I have read in last few months that I am not so much as embarrassed but truly fearful for our 1st Amendment Rights & many other freedoms granted to us by our Founding Fathers. Americans needed to wake up & smell the unsavory poison the Obama administration is cooking up to quietly "put to sleep" not their political enemies such as Fox but any one of us that do not fervently follow his "agenda". He has NOT shown himself to be one that seeks to consider a variety of political voices. By attacking & attempting to silence Fox & others like them, he is in essence trying to silence the Americans who share their views. When the term "communist" was first applied to this president I thought it was an inappropriate remark, but due in part to his most recent actions I have become more & more concerned that the "boot" might actually "fit the foot".

My point of view is that your rants are nothing more than talking points from the govt.

You inferred a lot of bullshit from that one line I wrote. I reread your last line like 50 times and I still have no fucking idea what you are getting at.

Sure you do. You respond like you are some type of independent thinker. At least others on here are upfront about taking the govt talking points and running with them.