Like the Founding Fathers?

Don't even go there birdbrain. If I were advocating revolution surly you don't think I would tell a bucket mouth like you. Not only would I perfer to keep it to myselt I wouldn't want to provide you with more suck up material. Run out and find yourself some conservative traffic to play in before you absolutely ruin your family's life.

Like Obama's favorite person Bill Ayers,right alan?

First, Crypto: I believe that a dramatic change must come, and am hoping that this "revolution" will occur in the voting booth, perhaps for a 3rd or other party candidate.

Next AlanD2: I agree w your comment, but then read escomments post below: "Like the Founding Fathers?"

That jogged my memory so I went to the Declaration of Independence to check it out. Here is what Jefferson says:

"...That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed..[but] That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government...[And] when a long train of abuses and usurpations...evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

escomments: Our Founding Fathers were indeed guilty of treason.

Had the American Revolution failed, most of them would have been hanged.

They had a valid reason to revolt. You conservatives don't.

actually Frenchy - they revolted against what would be judged by a Liberal as a fair and justifiable tax.

neverlate, that's not correct. They were revolting over taxation without representation. That's a rather important distinction.

You have representation. If your government isn't behaving the way you want it to then you have recourse at the ballot box on a regular basis.

For crypto:

Your language is seditious. If you decide to take up arms then keep in mind that you would not be acting to reclaim America, you'd be giving up on it. If you revolt against the duly elected government of the United States then you are the very definition of un-American.

khepri is exactly right!

The Government has not been restrained within it's constitutional enumerated powers. We keep electing politicians who swear an oath to protect and defend it from enemies foreign and domestic as we come to find out that they are the enemies.

Over the past 200 years, It has been an incremental usurpation of freedom and liberty as Government grabs more and more power for itself while the citizenry has been a sleep going on with the day to day activities of their lives.

We are fast racing towards a precipice.

My only hope is that we can bring sanity back to the Government in 2010 and stop this madness. Hopefully the damage that has been done and is attempting to be done by this Administration can be undone!

I just saw on the history channel where FDR presided over the ground breaking of the Jefferson Memorial.

If there was ever a more antithetical figure to Jeffersonian philosophy, it was FDR with the possible exception of Barack Obama.

AlanD Chill out!

A revolutionary way to make change would be to create a new politicle party, for the people by the people.. Violence is not hthe answer in many cases where it mis-used, like Iraq.. (No weapons of mass destruction). The Only thing we need to prepare for as far as fighting goes, is a hostile take-over from whom we owe all this major debt to..How do you think there going to collect? When the oil is gone, no trucks to deliver food, and no fuel to heat our homes, when we fight with one another for bread, on our knees, they will come.. In God we Trust for Freedom, trust in government is slavery..What will you do when a starving family knocks on your door? Would you share, or blow them away?

First Khepri: I think that's where it will happen. Perhaps even a "new" party. But somethings gotta give.
Now Apprxam: Please read next to the last line of my paragraph. This didn't just start. It's not all Bush's fault either. This goes back into the Bush Sr. and Clinton years. Remember Enron. That was the warning. But congress brushed it off as a crooked company and the problem just kept growing. But NOW. Obama is HERE. And he is allowing this congress to continue as if nothing has happened in the past. Same 'ol people, same 'ol crap..The Clinton people said "it's the economy stupid" So where's the CHANGE?? And most of all where's that new word being tossed around,"Transparency"?? I don't think people dislike Obama. With all his appointments I don't think people trust him.

I'm making an assumption you are talking to me Sarge. Retired E9. Korea and three time Nam vet. Read ALL the post before you jump. If you weren't talking to me I withdraw and apologize

Bettie, you might also point out that Obama's father after deserting his family and returning to Kenya ended up a failed communist politician.

It would be pitiful if he continues to admire his father in any way. And far worse for the rest of us.

A link from World Nuthouse Daily? Really?!
You need to change the "No" part of your handle to "A."

Hey sooner...
yeah right ...as if a "grunt" has anything worth jack**** to say about any thing.

Hey, Punk. Anybody using WorldNutDaily as a source is a troll.

You are a foul-mouthed troll, too.

No, but the republican party was formed to abolish slavery. Check it out for yourself.

Then isn't it funny that during the 50's and 60's, all the former Dems in the south who were FOR the limiting of black rights all switched to the GOP?

It was an economic system that required slavery to function. So, umm, it was pretty much all about slavery.

So you're saying Sen. Byrd switched tyo the GOP?

>> Trilly
Man I'm late with this! If we have to debate on why the Civil War was fought, I can't debate with you, you are arguing from a place I'm not familiar with. Please read your history!

You are mistaken! I am a construction worker in GA., BA in POL SCi from Mercer U. and UGA. My 9 year old son and I went to a rally this summer, two as matter of fact, with no talking points other than common sense. There were no busses and no fabricated signs from any lobbyists or right wing extremist groups. What people like myself see happening in this country is simply the left wing take over of our economy in order to control our lives. If you don't have the sense to see this happening, then you are the enemy of our free enterprise, constitutional rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. There are many ways to tackle the problems of our country without distroying the principles our great country was founded upon. Your President, my President, is headed down the road to disaster for our country. If you would reaqlly stop and think of what it takes to lead 300,000,000 million people to prosperity you would tell our President to stop and listen to all the people instead of the 20% that seem to be guiding him now.

The left does'nt care about healthcare, they only want to destroy the constitution as we know it. Their idea of health reform is simply to make people trade their freedoms for food, shelter and so-called healthcare. This is simply the same thing the left was trying to do back in the 17 and 1800's. It was called slavery.

Ameriapp I am glad that you had an opportunity to go to 2 rallys, with your son this summer. But any one watching the news, has seen plenty of rallys where common sense did not prevail. I have reported the facts as they have been reported on t.v. and newspapers. The fact that your experience at only 2 rallys that you attended did not reflect what others have reported, does not make me mistaken. The status quo in health care is unsustainable, but any attempts to fix it have been met with the insurance companies talking points, of government takeover and socialism. The insurance companies are not free enterprise. The McCarran-Ferguson Act of 1945 have allowed insurance companies to act as a monopoly. When you hear the GOP talk about buying across state lines, they are refering to those states that have stricter regulations then the federal government. They could meet those regulations if they wished. The following is from The Market Watch Blog. News that this year's premium growth for job-base family coverage came in at a relatively moderate 5% was offset by dire forecasts of what an average policy will cost 10 years from now, assuming that the atypcal pattern of slower growth we've in the last few years continues. Premiums for a full year of family coverage increased a full 5% to $13,375 in 2009, with employee on average footing $3,515 of the bill and employers $9,860 according to a report released from the Kasier Foundation and The Health Research and Educational Trust. Health care costs have been going up a couple of % points faster then economic growth since the 60's. The Foundation also said "If you assume that premiums increase over the next 10 years at an average of just the last 5 , which was an unusual moderation in health care costs, then the average premiumin 2019 will be $24,000. That's not the cadillac plan. That would be the average family premiums. A California non-partsain study concluded that by 2016 insurance premiums would be 41% of the average employee income. Since 2007 United Health Group has spent over 12.6 million dollars to lobby agaainst health care reform. An investigation this summer by the House Energy and Commerce Committee and earlier ones by state regulators in New York, California and Connecticut found that thousands of vulnerable and seriously ill policy holders have had their coverage canceled by many of the nations largest insurance companies without any legal basis. The congressional commitee found that 3 insurance companies alone made at least 300 million dollars over the last 5 years. The following is from The Huffington Post. In Feb.08, a private arbitration judge in Los Angles ordered Health Net Inc. to pay $9 million to a breast cancer patient whoose health insurance it revoked shortly after her diagnoses and while she was under going chemotherapy. The plaintiff, Patsy Bates, a 52 year old grandmother and hair salon owner was unable to continue her chemotherapy for several months. During the case, evidence emerged that Health Net Inc. had paid bonuses to employees to reward them based on the the number of policy holders they had recinded. The judge who awarded Bates said in his decision," It is difficult to imagine a policy more reprehensible then tying bonuses to encourage the recission of health insurance that keeps the public well and alive." The insurance companies have done a excellent job of convincing a lot of people that the government is the problem.

I appreciate your prompt response to my rebuttle, but, I beg to differ about your facts and figures. The left does not care about what the cost is or what coverage amounts too. They just want to pass the bill so that their agenda of total control of American culture will be under their absolute power of manipulation.

I do not trust the media that you ascribe to. Sorry.

My families healthcare plan, (blue cross blue shield) costs us












































































My familiy's healthcare bill costs $4200.00 per year. We are happy with our coverage. Where in the world did you get the $13,375.00 figure from?

You beg to differ with my facts? Facts are not opinions. Everybody is entitiled to their own opinions not their own facts.**************************The Preamble of The Constitution of the United States: We The People of the United States, in order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.*** WE THE PEOPLE, The GENERAL WELFARE OF; And there is the essence of what this is. What,on the eternal list of prorities, precedes health? What more obvious role could government have then defense of the life, of each citizen? We cannot stop every germ that seeks to harm us any more then we can stop every person that seeks to harm us, But we can damn well try and government essential role in that effort to faciltate it, reduce its cost, broaden its availability, improve my health and yours, seems ultimately, self-expanatory.*** And we must recognize the enemy here; an enemy capable of preventing reform meant for you and me, into its own ATM that mandates only that more of us become slaves to the insurance companies. The monied interests that have bled their customers white and used their customers money to buy the politicans, to buy the press, and cannot be checked by the government.***

Sjam3, Please go to blue cross blue shield. My deductible is $2500.00. For my family I pay $4200.00 per year. I'm sorry dude but you are getting screwed by your healthcare provider.

Well I am glad that you are happy with your insurance company. Many people are until they have to use it as I described in the investigation by the House, Energy and Commerce Committee. Just 3 insurance companies have made over $300 million dollars using rescission in the last 5 years. Reccission Is when insurance companies retroatively cancel coverage for policy holders based on alleged misstatements, sometimes after a diagnoses of life threating diseases. Your other question was answered in my other post. But I don't mind repeating, the information for the job-based insurance costs are from The Kasier Foundation and The Health Research and Educational Trust. Health insurance will contiune to rise. You can count on your premiums, deductables, co-pays and out pocket expenses will get higher unless the insurance companies are forced to compete.

ameriapp many people who get their insurance thru their place of employment are not aware ot how much their employer is contributing to the premiums. Your premuim of $4,200 is higher then the number I gave of $3,515 footed by the employee. The rest of the premium paid by the employer.

amerirapp, Have you never heard of Nixon's "Southern Strategy" to lure Southern Democrats who were angry over LBJ's Civil Rights Law into the Republican Party? It worked, too. Those Southern Democrats who stayed in the Party, like Byrd, repented of their racism. Those who didn't, like Strom Thurmon, joined the Republicans. Today, the angry red-necked Republican Party eerily resembles the angry red-necked antebellum Democratic Party and today's Dem Party has become more and more Lincolnesque. Abe would be scratching his head in confusion to see the switcheroo. Obama's identification with Lincoln and JFK send a shiver through my spine too, but for different reasons than Spiegel's. I'm afraid he might come to share their fate. The same kind of perfect storm is gathering around him as gathered around them.

And if you will study your history, you'll find out that the modern republicans are ideological descendants not of Lincoln, but of the Dixiecrats that began displacing the less racist republicans beginning in the '60s. Go Google "Southern Strategy" and learn a little someting, why doncha?